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I was on Atkins Induction for 5 weeks, and no loss of fat. How can this be?

I think I was in ketosis, due to body odor changes, but apparently I was burning either the fat or protein I was eating. I know you have to eat plenty of fat, and I think I ate enough, as the Atkins book does not instruct you to go overboard with fat consumption, but I ate quite a bit of fat. Any ideas?

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4 Responses to “I was on Atkins Induction for 5 weeks, and no loss of fat. How can this be?”

  1. retroactivism said:

    calories in/calories out still applies, ketosis just ensure you keep muscle. The only way to know for sure is to calculate your dietary calories and balance them against your usage.

  2. Butterfly said:

    Seems very odd, indeed. Have you been counting your net carbs on a daily basis? If not, maybe your eating more than you think? To tell for sure if you are in ketosis, pick up some Ketosis Detection strips at the drug store. It’s not unusual for weight loss to stall after a period of time, but it’s usually brief. Make a few changes to your diet and exercise and see if that helps.

  3. gregfocker19 said:

    Maybe you were not in Ketosis at all. The only way to be sure is to get the strips and see
    if your urine shows kentones. I have a friend who also thought she was in Ketosis because she
    only ate 20gm of carbs, when in fact she needed to be eating 5gm.

    I have done Atkins before and I can be in Ketosis in 2 days even as I’m eating 40-50 gm
    of carbs a day. The only time I go off Ketosis is when I eat something sweet like baked goods
    or ice cream.

    Different body produce different results.

  4. Cindy in Texas said:

    I can’t imagine anyone doing the program correctly and not seeing a bit of difference. I am guessing you included the Atkins bars or shakes in your diet. They claim that “sugar alcohols don’t count” but I’ve heard from hundreds of people that can’t lose while including them in their diet. They are probably fine for maintenance but not for weight loss. When he was alive, Dr.Atkins was adamant that these not be used for weight loss but that message died with him.

    Did you measure everywhere? Did you get smaller? Low carb encourages lean tissue growth (even without exercise) so some people replace fat stores with lean tissues & it doesn’t reflect a change on the scale. If you didn’t have much fat stores to start with, you won’t see a dramatic difference.

    Body odor changes – makes me think that you possibly were converting protein to glucose – the by products are ammonia & nitrogen & give the body a distinctive ammonia smell. If this is so, you really wasted the protein & made it hard on your body (plus only 58% of protein is converted to usable glucose with no protein available for cellular needs)

    If you lower carbs, you must increase fat consumption. If you lower calories, you will slow down the metabolism to adjust for the lowered calories & lose lean tissues. Excess protein is converted to glucose.

    Do the math – when you lower carbs – protein should only be about 20% of your total daily calories & during induction carbs are less than 5% of total calories – that means 75% of your calories have to come from the only category left (besides alcohol) which is fat. Increasing the fat ratio to over 80% of total calories, guarantees that excess protein is not converted to glucose.

    You don’t give me enough info to make recommendations but I would suggest one week of >80% fat ratio, sufficient calories, less than 9g net carbs per day, whole foods only – no commercial products (no bars, shakes, diet drinks, etc.- citric acid disrupts ketosis – side effect of aspartame is weight gain) perhaps even eliminate dairy which stalls some people. If you don’t see a change in that week, then I would suggest you have thyroid dysfunction (but more than likely you would be obese, with this level of thyroid dysfunction.)

    Every day you should be eating these 2 items. Together they are 1000 calories 80% of calories from fat – 90g fat 10g net carbs. If you need additional fat or calories, you can add a tablespoon of virgin coconut oil to the ground flax seed cereal.

    Half an avocado mashed with 2 ounces of mayo seasoned with cayenne & eaten with pork rinds or celery.

    Ground flax seed (4 Tbsp) 1/4 cup water, artificial sweetener, mix in a raw egg – let sit 10 min. to absorb liquid, put some cream cheese in the middle & nuke 2 min for daily fiber needs.

    Low carb will help you gain lean tissue & trim excess fat *if* you don’t have a calorie deficit. A low calorie diet will definitely make you lose lean tissues.

    Studies have shown that some people can gain fat stores even on a semi starvation diet of 1000 calories a day – if it’s composition is high carb, low fat.

    from the article below –

    Numerous current studies show that dieters who follow high-protein low-carb strategies–even plans with higher fat intake–lose more fat and maintain or gain more muscle mass than dieters who rely on higher carb diets.

    Yes, you read that right–many dieters actually gained muscle mass without working out, simply by eating a high-protein diet. This is due to several factors. First, amino acids from protein drive muscle growth. When you consume a high-protein meal, amino acids from the protein travel to muscle cells and actually initiate the processes that cause muscle growth.

    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0KFY/is_4_23/ai_n13790123/?tag=content;col1

    If you eat protein without sufficient fuel calories from fats or carbs, then you convert dietary protein to fuel leaving no protein for cellular needs, forcing the body to catabolize it’s own lean tissues. Carbs may be optional, but fuel calories are not but they can come from fat or carbs, but not protein. There are not enough calories in fruits & vegs to fuel the body.

    If you don’t keep your calories high enough, the body will strip it’s own lean tissue for nutrition. Although that may look great on a scale it will make it MUCH easier to accumulate fat in the future (since all that pesky lean tissue burning up calories will be gone).

    Protein is a very inefficient fuel to use exclusively for long term & the byproducts of the conversion to fuel can be dangerous if they overwhelm the body faster than the body can clear out the nitrogen & ammonia..

    Just for example – Someone asked “what if” about a diet of 500g of pure protein (2000 calories a day)

    500g protein with no fat would be fatal. Fat is essential but protein without fat will cause diarrhea & then death. So this next bit is only hypothetically speaking.

    500g of protein only would turn the protein into a fuel source and not be able to be used for tissue repairs & cellular regeneration. So although you would think 500g of protein would be sufficient for these needs, it would be converted to a very inefficient fuel source with a dangerous buildup of nitrogen & ammonia (byproducts of gluconeogenesis). The body can handle some of these byproducts but not large quantities for long term. So in essence, all this protein would be processed as fuel and the body would STILL have to catabolize it’s own lean tissues for a protein source. 100% of the protein would be needed to convert to 58% glucose – it would be equal to fueling the body with 1160 calories of carbs and NO protein (IF your only ingestion was 2000 calories (500g) in pure protein).

    It’s confusing to eat SO much protein and have none bioavailable but your body requires FUEL calories (which can come from fat OR carbs or both) AND protein.

    BUT if you ate more than sufficient protein with more than sufficient dietary fat calories AND controlled carbs to less than 9grams per hour (Maximum carbs would be 144grams day or 576 calories) the balance of fuel calories would HAVE to be from dietary fats – at 9 calories per gram.

    As long as you have <9grams carbs per hour, you will maintain insulin control & shouldn't gain weight, no matter the calories because insulin, the fat storage hormone is not activated. Controlling insulin levels will balance out other hormones & allow sex hormones (testosterone in males) & human growth hormone (HGH) to be produced naturally so lean tissue will be gained even without exercise.

    I highly recommend adding virgin coconut oil to your diet. All fats can be used for sustained energy, but coconut oil is the (only) fat that can be used for quick energy like a carb.

    It takes awhile to convert the body from being fueled by glucose to being fueled by fat but it does convert. It can take several weeks for the body to be able to compete athletically while using fat for fuel. The body does not become fat adapted though if "carb cycling" techniques are employed. Low carb marathon runners don't "hit the wall" with mid race fuel changeovers. It's not being fueled by fat that slows them down, it's the immediate fuel conversion period.

    This study:

    http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/2

    seems to suggest that after one has become fat adapted, endurance exercise performance returns to normal, but sprint performance remains poor. The suggested reason is that this type of exercise can not be fueled by fat, it must be fueled by glucose.




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